Hermes 4 405B vs Dolphin Mistral 24B Venice Edition
Prices per million tokens as of 2026-10-27. Dolphin Mistral 24B Venice Edition is the lower-priced build on a 2M-in, 500K-out month.
| Hermes 4 405B | Dolphin Mistral 24B Venice Edition | |
|---|---|---|
| Model id | hermes-4-405b | dolphin-mistral-24b-venice |
| Kind | Uncensored | Uncensored |
| Developer | Nous Research | Cognitive Computations |
| Input per M | $1.20 | $0.50 |
| Cached input per M | input rate | input rate |
| Output per M | $4.80 | $2.25 |
| Context window | 128,000 tokens | 32,768 tokens |
| Max output | not published | not published |
| Last hour | Degraded | Answering |
| Daily check | Steady since Oct 20 | Steady since Oct 20 |
| Worked month | $4.80 | $2.13 |
The month
- Input
- 2,000,000 tokens
- Output
- 500,000 tokens
- Dolphin Mistral 24B Venice Edition
- $2.13
- Hermes 4 405B
- $4.802.3× the other build
Same call, different id
Both answer the OpenAI wire format on one base URL and key. Nothing but the model id changes.
One request on each
curl https://api.uncensoredllm.ai/v1/chat/completions \ -H "Authorization: Bearer sk-ullm-live-…" \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -d '{"model": "hermes-4-405b", "messages": [{"role": "user", "content": "Hello"}]}'curl https://api.uncensoredllm.ai/v1/chat/completions \ -H "Authorization: Bearer sk-ullm-live-…" \ -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ -d '{"model": "dolphin-mistral-24b-venice", "messages": [{"role": "user", "content": "Hello"}]}'Questions
Dolphin Mistral 24B Venice Edition: $2.13 for a month of 2,000,000 input and 500,000 output tokens against $4.80 on Hermes 4 405B, 2.3× the price, at the catalog rates on 2026-10-27.
An abliterated build has the refusal direction removed from the weights; an uncensored build is a fine-tune or a system-level build that answers without declining. Both answer what the stock model refuses; the model pages name each build.
Yes. Both answer the OpenAI wire format on the same base URL and key; the model id is the only field that changes.
The daily real-model check: Hermes 4 405B reads "Steady since Oct 20", Dolphin Mistral 24B Venice Edition reads "Steady since Oct 20" at render.
Every pair is on the comparisons page; every model with all its prices is on the price index.